In this episode Carey talks to writer ⁠Shawn Smucker⁠, one of the contributors to Square Halo Books' ⁠⁠⁠Ordinary Saints: Living Everyday Life to the Glory of God⁠⁠⁠, about the bookstore that Shawn and his wife have recently opened. They recorded this podcast in "⁠Leslie⁠'s Nook," the new community room in ⁠Nooks⁠. During the course of their conversation Trey and Shawn talked about creativity, collaboration, community, and our upcoming ⁠conference⁠.